Thanks, that was interesting. I broadly agree, though it seems to me, that Jonathan Pageu lacks direct experience with spiritual beings and is trying to come to a conclusion based on books. He comes very close, but misses the mark, in my view.
The idea of subtle bodies is quite old and comes from ancient India and Tibet, though the Greeks had their own version, which they called the astral body or pneuma.
In the Indian tradition, the innermost Self, which we might label the Soul, is surrounded by five sheaths, like layers of an onion, the fourth sheath is immediately before the physical body, a sort of energetic blueprint, on which the physical body is built. Oxford biologist Dr Rupert Sheldrake has a similar concept, with his Morphogenetic field theory.
Christianity also has a similar concept, though it isn't always made explicit, however one can infer it from the nature of angels for instance, or the spiritual bodies the faithful will receive after resurrection. It is also implied by the concept of Hell and Purgatory, obviously there is some sort of subtle body that wanders aimlessly and is punished for earthly sins, this body, though immortal, is capable of suffering, sustaining injury, then regenerating endlessly, feeling pain, hunger and thirst.
Haven't come across Jonathan Pageau yet, he seems interesting, will have to check him out.
So when might it be revealed? Rod Dreher predicted a big revail would happen at the end of March/beginning of April 2024, but it didn't. No one, that I've seen, has brought it up since.
Oh, it won't be done in one big event, I think that sort of thinking is messianic in a way, it reveals wrong thinking. No, this will be gradual, perhaps taking a century or so. They are already prepping the population with TV shows and movies, books and so forth. Especially the marvel and dc franchises, stargate and star trek. Plus a host of other supernatural TV shows.
To give you an example, people who grew up on Harry Potter (like my niece and some of my young colleagues at work), absolutely think that witchcraft is the coolest thing ever, it's all feminist and hip and they all want to be witches, especially the young girls. None of them are interested in religion or spirituality in the traditional sense. So, it's already happening, but slowly and gradually. We'll probably barely notice when this sort of thing goes mainstream.
Thank you. But is the prepping done by people who know what sort of thing is being revealed? Or do you think these other-dimension beings are using film-makers to make films that soften people up, so to speak, without fully realizing what they (the film-makers) are doing? Ie, are there people behind this plan, or only non human entities?
It's probably a mix of all of the above. Someone like Roman Polanski or Stanley Kubrick, they were obviously in the know. Others are fed information through military advisors. Stargate SG1 had an episode where they dispatched the main guy to advise a pretty cheap and crappy TV show that was all based on their real adventures. The general in charge did it deliberately, so that every time there was a leak from the real stargate programme (which in a truly meta fashion, is actually real), they could point to the show as a source of the info and ridicule it. The show btw was about a secret government programme which explored other planets through an interdimensional portal, where they met and battled ancient gods, who turned out to be alien galactic warlords.
So, it is in the interest of the military and intelligence agencies to plant the truth about how things are in various TV shows and movies. I heard Dark Skies was one of the major ones, they were actually commended by one of the generals running the show and were given suggestion on how to make the show even more realistic. Stargate was so tied in with the Air Force and presumably, the actual real stargate programme (which is not about travelling to other planets but rather something more sinister), that they sent one of their generals to do a cameo and had advisors on set.
Pariah - I was looking back through comments and noticed this one. I did not notice such a prediction from Rod. Was it perhaps in the midst of one of those long quotes he copies. I think he does not endorse everything in those quotes. Or...what as it Rod said?
He said he was in touch with two high level government security people who said that there would be a big reveal in late March/early April. He didn't explicitly endorse it, but he made it sound like these were people he trusted, who didn't know each other, and were saying the same thing. Must have been late last year or early this year.
Ah, very interesting, thanks. I think that recent post about not knowing the future (the poem about the bird on the wing and no knowing where the wind will blow) was from the center of Rod's current thinking. Yes, he does tell us his worries in his diary, I agree.
https://youtu.be/MTuDl7o-1bE?feature=shared
Thanks, that was interesting. I broadly agree, though it seems to me, that Jonathan Pageu lacks direct experience with spiritual beings and is trying to come to a conclusion based on books. He comes very close, but misses the mark, in my view.
New to your Substack. Very interesting!!! Jonathan Pageau has spoken about “ subtle bodies “ recently, I think in a YouTube video….very informative!
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The idea of subtle bodies is quite old and comes from ancient India and Tibet, though the Greeks had their own version, which they called the astral body or pneuma.
In the Indian tradition, the innermost Self, which we might label the Soul, is surrounded by five sheaths, like layers of an onion, the fourth sheath is immediately before the physical body, a sort of energetic blueprint, on which the physical body is built. Oxford biologist Dr Rupert Sheldrake has a similar concept, with his Morphogenetic field theory.
Christianity also has a similar concept, though it isn't always made explicit, however one can infer it from the nature of angels for instance, or the spiritual bodies the faithful will receive after resurrection. It is also implied by the concept of Hell and Purgatory, obviously there is some sort of subtle body that wanders aimlessly and is punished for earthly sins, this body, though immortal, is capable of suffering, sustaining injury, then regenerating endlessly, feeling pain, hunger and thirst.
Haven't come across Jonathan Pageau yet, he seems interesting, will have to check him out.
So when might it be revealed? Rod Dreher predicted a big revail would happen at the end of March/beginning of April 2024, but it didn't. No one, that I've seen, has brought it up since.
Oh, it won't be done in one big event, I think that sort of thinking is messianic in a way, it reveals wrong thinking. No, this will be gradual, perhaps taking a century or so. They are already prepping the population with TV shows and movies, books and so forth. Especially the marvel and dc franchises, stargate and star trek. Plus a host of other supernatural TV shows.
To give you an example, people who grew up on Harry Potter (like my niece and some of my young colleagues at work), absolutely think that witchcraft is the coolest thing ever, it's all feminist and hip and they all want to be witches, especially the young girls. None of them are interested in religion or spirituality in the traditional sense. So, it's already happening, but slowly and gradually. We'll probably barely notice when this sort of thing goes mainstream.
Thank you. But is the prepping done by people who know what sort of thing is being revealed? Or do you think these other-dimension beings are using film-makers to make films that soften people up, so to speak, without fully realizing what they (the film-makers) are doing? Ie, are there people behind this plan, or only non human entities?
It's probably a mix of all of the above. Someone like Roman Polanski or Stanley Kubrick, they were obviously in the know. Others are fed information through military advisors. Stargate SG1 had an episode where they dispatched the main guy to advise a pretty cheap and crappy TV show that was all based on their real adventures. The general in charge did it deliberately, so that every time there was a leak from the real stargate programme (which in a truly meta fashion, is actually real), they could point to the show as a source of the info and ridicule it. The show btw was about a secret government programme which explored other planets through an interdimensional portal, where they met and battled ancient gods, who turned out to be alien galactic warlords.
So, it is in the interest of the military and intelligence agencies to plant the truth about how things are in various TV shows and movies. I heard Dark Skies was one of the major ones, they were actually commended by one of the generals running the show and were given suggestion on how to make the show even more realistic. Stargate was so tied in with the Air Force and presumably, the actual real stargate programme (which is not about travelling to other planets but rather something more sinister), that they sent one of their generals to do a cameo and had advisors on set.
Pariah - I was looking back through comments and noticed this one. I did not notice such a prediction from Rod. Was it perhaps in the midst of one of those long quotes he copies. I think he does not endorse everything in those quotes. Or...what as it Rod said?
He said he was in touch with two high level government security people who said that there would be a big reveal in late March/early April. He didn't explicitly endorse it, but he made it sound like these were people he trusted, who didn't know each other, and were saying the same thing. Must have been late last year or early this year.
Ah, very interesting, thanks. I think that recent post about not knowing the future (the poem about the bird on the wing and no knowing where the wind will blow) was from the center of Rod's current thinking. Yes, he does tell us his worries in his diary, I agree.